Monday, August 3, 2009

I've Got Nothing.


Hi folks!

I don't know about you, but I'm a bit bored today.

Sure I could point out Vanessa Blum's well-written profile of Steve Zack.

BTW, did you know Steve does a Claude Pepper impression?

Hmm, maybe I should say, is there anyone out there who doesn't know Steve does a Claude Pepper impression?

Oh hail, perhaps the right question is -- does anyone even know who Claude Pepper is?

Like Steve, I do a killer George Raft impression, but for some reason the youngsters at the Bar functions just don't get into it like they used to.

Hey, did you know Representative Boehner's plan for transforming health care in America entails....reigning in junk lawsuits?

Oy veh.

For you helpless romantics (semantics?), a friend asks to break down Iqbal again:

The Iqbal court quoted the language from Twombly, that plaintiffs must "nudge[] their claims across the line from conceivable to plausible." I am moved to say that the court's pleading standard has gone from ridiculous to preposterous.

Of course, there is no practical difference between "conceivable" and "plausible," just as there is no real difference between "ridiculous" and "preposterous."

It only took me two minutes to find an opinion where the Court used "conceivable" and "plausible" interchangeably.

Not too long ago there was a case where the Supremes reversed a DC Circuit decision that Congress had violated equal protection with respect to a portion of the Cable Act. Here is F.C.C. v. Beach Communications, 508 U.S. 307, 313-14 (1993):

In areas of social and economic policy, a statutory classification that neither proceeds along suspect lines nor infringes fundamental constitutional rights must be upheld against equal protection challenge if there is any reasonably conceivable state of facts that could provide a rational basis for the classification. See Sullivan v. Stroop, 496 U.S. 478, 485 (1990); Bowen v. Gilliard, 483 U.S. 587, 600-603 (1987); United States Railroad Retirement Bd. v. Fritz, 449 U.S. 166, 174-179 (1980); Dandridge v. Williams, 397 U.S. 471, 484-485 (1970). Where there are "plausible reasons" for Congress' action, "our inquiry is at an end." United States Railroad Retirement Bd. v. Fritz, supra, at 179.

And then theres the concurrence:

I continue to believe that, when Congress imposes a burden on one group, but leaves unaffected another that is similarly, though not identically, situated, "the Constitution requires something more than merely a `conceivable' or `plausible' explanation for the unequal treatment." United States Railroad Retirement Bd. v. Fritz, 449 U.S. 166, 180 (1980) (STEVENS, J., concurring in judgment).

Is there any reason why conceivable and plausible are synonyms with respect to the rational basis test but not with respect to the pleading standard?

To sum it up, kids, is the Courts wordplay laughable or risible?

Or as George Raft used to say,
"part of it went on gambling, and part of it went on women. The rest I spent foolishly."

17 comments:

Anonymous said...

Youngsters? You are hip SFL!

George-Raft-lovers-of-the-latina said...

Who's Claude Pepper?

Anonymous said...

We'll assume that your search and the context were accurate. And strictlty for purposes of framing the debate. In answer to your question:
Probably yes. Under rational basis, the premise is that if something qualifies for rational basis, the government is presumed to be able to do it -- thus it passes if it acted rationally. That's why con law plaintffs always want to move above rational basis into fundamental rights that trigger strict (or intermediate, if you're of that school)scrutiny, where the governemnt isn't allowed to tread as freely.
In pleading, there is no such presumption. That's what the word "show" in Rule 8 means when discussing that plaintiff's complaint must "show" such entitlement. And that's the debate going on in the various opinions in Iqbal.
But remember what they say about free advice, SFL.

Anonymous said...

It's both laughable and risible.

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Anonymous said...

Love The Comebacks, agree with 11:34 on Zack.

Anonymous said...

Zack will be presiding over an irrelevant organization with declining membership.

Anonymous said...

LOOK!

Angry Jack still reads the blog!

Godwhacker said...

Won't you sign in stranger? Careful with 'cut and past'. Be sure to lose those unwanted font tags.

u know who time said...

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U KNOw who time said...

I said... GIMME AN SHU....

Anonymous said...

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U KNOw who time said...

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Anonymous said...

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TIME FOR ME!!!!! (and you too)
take off the rest of the day. Monday is ovah!!!

greenberg Gal said...

Gosh....London is so much better and more civilized than hot, cruddy, sweaty Miami teaming with the wretched refuse of the 3rd and 4th worlds.

Godwhacker said...

@Greenberg Gal

London is more civilized? If by civilized you mean 'spied upon' then you're right. The Brits are moving fast to instal cameras a la 1984 in people homes to make sure children are doing their homework.

That kind of civilization I don't need.