
Anybody remember George Metcalfe?
He's the Leesburg lawyer who generated some significant commentary on this blog when he wrote a demure, entirely uncontroversial letter that was published in the Florida Bar News back in May.
That letter had some pretty vanilla statements like this:
Ultimately, nothing is as repulsive and emasculating to adolescent boys as being recruited for gay sex.He also had this to say:
Holding vulnerable foster children like human shields to support homosexual adult social-engineering agendas is reprehensible. The Florida Bar’s Family Law Section and its amicus curiae appellate filings seek to endanger fatherless children for its own political ends and nothing more.So things got a little heated but George stepped into our little forum and defended himself and everybody pretty much forgot about the whole thing.
Well, everyone but George.
You see, apparently interested in keeping the conversation going, George put the ad you see above ("What's so gay about it?") in the July 15th edition of the Florida Bar News.
Those of you who don't frequent adult sites on a regular basis may want to avert your eyes.
Ok -- you all can look (click on the ad to enlarge).
It's been a while since I took a philosophy class, but I think George commits the logical fallacy of "wow, what an awful, possibly unbelievable story -- guess it must apply to everyone."
Some of you long-haired, pot-smoking, Pink-Floyd-listening philosophy majors might call it the fallacy of "Hasty Induction."
Here's an example:
1. George lives in Leesburg.
2. There are lots and lots of gay men in Leesburg.
3. Well, I'm gonna stop right here, I think I made my point.
Anyhoo, some lawyers were somehow upset with George's advertised tale of gay parental woe, and some even wrote in to the Florida Bar News.
I like this one best, by Meredith A. Hart:
[]I would like to say “kudos” to George Metcalfe, the author of the “advertisement.” I applaud your courage, integrity, and insight into human behavior for pointing out that heterosexual couples have indeed cornered the market on morality, sexuality, and childrearing. Everyone knows that heterosexuals are never lousy parents, never descend into depression or suicide, don’t molest children, don’t abuse their families, are never promiscuous, and don’t catch STDs or die from AIDS; everyone knows AIDS is only a gay disease.Nice attempt Meredith, but try harder.
I also applaud your use of personal anecdotes to condemn an entire group of people. Lastly, it should be noted for the record that the current wards of the state are the exclusive products of the heterosexual relationships that the author is advocating for. So much for family values.
I am eagerly awaiting the next issue of The Florida Bar News. I never realized that as long as you pasted the word “advertisement” over an op-ed piece, that anything can be published, no matter how bizarre. I am expecting a series of thoughtful and stimulating “advertisements” in upcoming issues such as Heinrich Himmler: The Comic Genius of the Third Reich; The Lighter Side of the KKK; and Charlie Manson: The Misunderstood Musician.
For your information, it was well-known in the bunker that Himmler had devastatingly perfect comic timing, and Charlie did in fact record some decent songs with Dennis Wilson, so your suggestions and George's ad indeed share the exact same factual basis.
31 comments:
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some grilled lobster from the mini-season as well, but that's later. Much later.
Where to start?? I find his original letter and now the ad to be offensive. I'm glad numerous lawyers wrote to the Bar to expose his faulty reasoning and lack of any objective data to support his position.
As usual, your write up was not only enlightening, but also funny.
Finally, his head shot has got to go in our Hall of Fame.
Thanks SFL Fan.
I think the worst thing is the ad ruined what was going to be a great Friday post, which I guess I will now put up tomorrow.
Have a great weekend everyone!
Ditto to 5:46. SFL, this was some really really good ish:
"Here's an example:
1. George lives in Leesburg.
2. There are lots and lots of gay men in Leesburg.
3. Well, I'm gonna stop right here, I think I made my point."
Being a gay man myself, I kinda like the way Mr. Metcalfe parts his hair and has a manly sweatiness furling his brow. I bet Mr. Metcalfe has a wide stance, to boot.
his head shot or his money shot?
Never better SFL, say hi to your wise latina
I'll see your George Metcalfe and raise you a Brad Pitt ~ "I have love in my life, a soul mate--absolutely. When someone asked me why Angie and I don't get married, I replied, 'Maybe we'll get married when it's legal for everyone else.' I stand by that, although I took a lot of flak for saying it--hate mail from religious groups. I believe everyone should have the same rights. They say gay marriage ruins families and hurts kids. Well, I've had the privilege of seeing my gay friends being parents and watching their kids grow up in a loving environment." - Brad Pitt, speaking to Parade Magazine.
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George is a loon.
Good write-up SFL.
Ah Metcalfe, how dost thou fallacize, let me count the ways. I thought attorneys were supposed to be good at deductive reasoning. You know, that ancient crap Aristotle used to pine on about? Not so with you Georgie baby. If your ad was the national dept, and your logical fallacies dimes, we'd be back in the black.
[AC/DC reference intentional]
There is every good reason to just ignore this pile of bile but, as a man of good conscience, some of these lies need to be taken down.
Surely Mr. Metcalfe knows that one isolated incident, or even a string of dozens if incidents says nothing about a population as large as the LGBT community. It's statistically irrelevant. There are hundreds of thousands, perhaps of millions of gay households in the U.S. (We'll get a better idea now that the government is willing to count us for the first time in next years census.)
Any individual is responsible for their own actions. The guilt of one can not be passed on to another because of shared characteristics. To do so would be accurately characterized as racism, Antisemitism, xenophobia, or homophobia. Fitting ideologies, if you happen to be an intolerant twit.
If this story is accurate, then it illustrates one tragic life. Dawns dad did not have his life together and his child paid. But I'm sure we could find any numbers of heterosexual households that experienced similar, if not worse problems. Don't even get me started on the clergy.
The fact is many gay men and women are wonderful parents. It's those people Metcalfe would have you ignore as he spews his libel.
So what's so gay about it? You don't know many gay people, do you? Well, what's so gay about it is this ~ I live my life with the man I love. If I didn't, I wouldn't have that much to live for. The fact that I live every day with my soul mate has me feeling pretty damned gay.
I'm so happy, I could have a party. In fact I think I will. To Life! To Love! To You Georgie-Girl!
PS: Every time I've been emasculated, I had a really good time.
Is it just me, or do Metcalfe and Pedobear look hauntingly similar?
This guy should go after his own parents for bad a upbringing. That wig is obviously the result of child abuse.
I can't believe that its douchebags like that, that can prevent people from adopting needy children. Disgusting.
I can't believe that its douchebags like that, that can prevent people from adopting needy children. Disgusting.
I think many of you have misunderstood the original point George was trying to make. He not saying that gay men or individuals are horrible people, but for gay men to adopt young children deprived them of their right to choose their sexuality. If a young boy grows up in the atmosphere of gay men then he will tend to lean toward that sexuality because their young mind pick up what they see.
Therefore, this does not give them a choice of who and what they are. It is not wrong however their choices are limited because of the environment they would grow up in, in a gay household. In a heterosexual household, a child can choose to be gay without any outside forces to influence their decisions, such as in a homosexual household. I think this is simply the point that George is trying to make. Please calm down with the hatred and let it be. Its just ones opinion.
Ms. Rabbit, there is no evidence for the belief that gay men will tend to produce gay children because it "rubs off" on them.
In the real world, we try to base our decisions on facts, not unfounded fears.
It would be nice to think that way but in the "real world" children pick up what they see. Like I said there is nothing wrong with gay households but it limits the choice the child will have on who and what they are. There is also no facts or proof that children will not be influenced by gay couples so your point is null and irrelevant. Stick with the obvious...children are mimes, mimics and they absorb behavior...we all know that. THAT is hte "real world"!
ALSO...we are not talking about deliberate efforts to produce gay children we are talking about the potential influence for the children to become what they grow up with with or without the deliberate effort. People like to think that they are liberal and they go with the flow of things but children, especially adopted children cannot choose their adoptive parents and they are influenced by the people that take care of them and love them
Re: "There is also no facts or proof that children will not be influenced by gay couples so your point is null and irrelevant."
Silly Rabbit! In logic one is never called upon to prove a negative. You lose.
Did it ever occur to you that virtually all gay men and women come from heterosexual families?
Ms. Rabbit, is that a carrot between your legs or do you really have a penis?
Grow up children! If you were SO CONCERNED about adopted children, then get off your ass and go adopt them yourselves!!! I merely stated an opinion that was correct common knowledge. If you do you drugs, your children will be more inclined to do drugs than if you did not do drugs. If you bring your child in a stable environment then your child will be better off. Im not in any way saying that gay adoption is so horrible I am saying that it children obviously learn from whats around them. THAT IS ALL I AM SAYING and we all know this. And as for the "carrot between my legs", at least whats between there is healthy which is more than what i can say for you!
You know, this is the kind of bullshit we get from people who can't even think coherently. Ms. Rabbit thinks 'there is nothing wrong with gay households' but then blathers on about why it's a moral imperative to prevent there from being more of them.
So the children of fine outstanding citizens who happen to be gay might like to grow up to be like their parents. And that's a problem because..... ????
Ms. Rabbit, like a fish in water, is so immersed in her own prejudices that she can't even see them any more. They drown her, consume her, and feeble her mind until she is capable of writing complete and utter nonsense. The fact that she could read that man's hateful advertisement and then dare to tell us to 'calm down with the hatred' shows how disconnected from reality these zealots can become.
Florida and that mecca of cultural brilliance Arkansas are the only two states to prohibit gay adoptions. Florida law, Mr. Metcalfe, and Ms. Rabbit are far far behind the rest of the country in ending legalized discrimination. We're heading into the 21st century, and their clinging on to the 19th.
GODWHACKER: Did it ever occur to you that virtually all gay men and women come from heterosexual families?
This is exactly the point im trying to make. They come from HETEROSEXUAL families. They had a fair choice that they decided not anyone else. They had no outside factors, as far as their families were concerned, that made it easier or rather harder to make their decision. I never said that all gay men and women and children come from homosexual relationships. I said that the household has a big influence on a child and how they grow up.
And agian, I don't find the issue of gay adoption to be so wrong. I am trying to point out the conclusion that George is trying to make. I am only putting into better perspective what was being said. Everyone is twisting the issue. The point he was making was what I was explaining and nothing more. I never said gay adoption was wrong I said that it limited the child's choices which is wrong in any aspect. Children deserve fair choices not influential choices no matter what they are. Being gay is not necessarily the issue anymore.
Ms. Rabbit,
All of your reasoning suffers from a tragic error. You are under the mistaken assumption that sexuality is a choice, when all the evidence clearly states that it is not. That matches what I know from my own experiences. I didn't ask to be gay. I fought it tooth and nail. Oh, I can control who I have sex with or not. But I could not control who I fell in love with. That's what you and Georgie-Girl don't get. It's not about the sex. It's about love.
Love isn't what's wrong with the world. Hate, bigotry and people who practice them are what's wrong with this world. When you look in the mirror, you can see the problem very clearly.
"Four thousand holes in blackburn, lancashire
And though the holes were rather small
They had to count them all
Now they know how many holes it takes to fill the albert hall"
homosexuality is a choice to disrespect God. The homosexual agenda is a social construction designed to destroy society from within. Mr. Metcalfe was simply illuminating the fact that homosexuals cannot be trusted around children just like sex offenders and predators.
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