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Celibate Goon Gives Lessons In Love!

Apparently he's Miami's Archbishop.
In much the same way that abortion and safe sex are promoted to protect one from the inevitable consequences of sexual activity, seen now as merely a recreational activity without any moral significance, the advocacy of same sex marriage renders the idea of all marriages meaningless.
How does this work? My man-love and I hook up, move in together, and then seek out the same legal protections other longterm couples enjoy and this affects other marriages how again?
Enacting same sex marriage does not expand the institution of marriage to a once excluded class, rather it reduces marriage to being just about the emotional gratification of two — and why just two? — persons. Such a redefinition defies the true nature of marriage as a comprehensive "two-in-one-flesh" union capable of uniting children with their mothers and fathers.
Gratification? Guilty as charged! I'm all for gratification. Please explain how this is a bad thing?
Marriage equality today is the poster child of those who hold for a radical autonomy that believes that anyone can essentially create his or her reality by one's individual will without reference to the truth of things. An individual who would believe that he could, by the force of his will, defy gravity is setting himself up for a disastrous fall.
Ya, that still doesn't make any sense. Gravity is one thing, your religious beliefs are another. Unless what you're saying is that there are only one set of acceptable religious beliefs and thereby advocating theocracy.
To impose same-sex marriage would open up a Pandora's box of unintended consequences that bode ill for the advancement of the common good and human flourishing in all of society. 
Sorry Archbishop Wenski, but that still stinks of stupid. No one is imposing a marriage on you. The way it works is someone has to propose and someone has to accept.

Let me give you some insights into what I think opens a Pandora's Box; sexual repression. Sexuality has to have healthy outlets or it finds unhealthy outlets. You may not like the way I experience intimacy but I do experience intimacy; in a way that is tender, lasting, and gratifying.  You may call me unnatural but I would submit that you are the unnatural one. It is you who (at least) poses as someone who has rejected all sexual contact, forever. God loves blue balls!

I hate to break it to you Archy but sex is the good stuff, one of the best things about being alive. But maybe you already know that. For although priests take vows of abstinence, our recent history is full of broken vows. Sometimes those vows are broken with consenting adults. But too many times we have seen that repressed sexuality bubble over as child sex abuse – child sex abuse that YOUR church is still hiding to this day.

So Archy, how dare you come around and call my beautiful, tender, loving marriage a threat to society while you sit there in a gaggle of paedophile-protecting, sexually screwed up 12th Century mystics?

You are every bit as harmful to society as you claim me to be and worse.


  1. How many little vulnerable boys have these scumbags raped and lied about it? And lied for each other? And the insitution lied about it for them? We will never know the half of it. The rape and pedophilia in the US by Catholic priests is likely tame compared to the atrocities they commit in third world countries or historically.

    What a joke this assclown even thinks he has a position to speak on anything moral.

    I will say, however, that the current Pope offers hope to stop the church's crimes.


    NB - Godwhacker - put some pants on, for Christ's sake. Its dinner time.

  2. Dinner time is whenever the loving is done!

  3. An Open Letter to Archbishop Thomas G. Wenski: Please Stop Hating

    In an interview over the summer, His Holiness, Pope Francis, PP, famously said, "If someone is gay and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?" Francis told reporters, speaking in Italian but using the English word "gay."

    Who are you to judge, Archbishop Thomas G. Wenski?

    Archbishop Wenski, what proof do you have that "the advocacy of same sex marriage renders the idea of all marriages meaningless"? Where is the proof of this nonsense? Hate is not proof.

    Archbishop Wenski, heterosexual divorce renders marriages meaningless as a sacred lifelong commitment before God. Serial divorce renders marriage meaningless. (i.e. PAM BONDI).

    Archbishop Wenski, please excommunicate Catholics who engage in heterosexual divorce, and "open up a Pandora's box of unintended consequences that bode ill for the advancement of the common good and human flourishing in all of society". Heterosexual divorce breaks up families and harms children. Divorce trauma in a child’s formative years may last a lifetime, and result in a generational cycle of heterosexual divorce.

    Archbishop Wenski, please excommunicate those who actually break up marriages, the legislators who created Chapter 61, Florida Statutes, dissolution of marriage, aided and abetted by The Florida Bar’s "Divorce In Florida Pamphlet", and all those who perpetuate the inhumane family law courts.

    Archbishop Wenski, please welcome same sex couples who adopt children discarded by heterosexual couples. Support and love these same sex couples, who are doing God’s work.

    Archbishop Wenski, where is the moral outrage for financial crimes that wrecked the economy, took jobs and homes, and opened up a "Pandora's box of unintended consequences that bode ill for the advancement of the common good and human flourishing in all of society"?

    Archbishop Wenski, please excommunicate the modern day Robber Barrons, and the politicians who enable them, and join with voices like Shani Smith of SOUL - "the banks were bailed out, and we got sold out."

    Archbishop Wenski, where is the moral outrage for the endless wars of Neocons that kill and destroy families, and "open up a Pandora's box of unintended consequences that bode ill for the advancement of the common good and human flourishing in all of society"?

    Archbishop Wenski, please excommunicate the warmongers, and the politicians who enable them.

    Archbishop Wenski, please adhere to the vow of poverty. Forego your fancy gladiator outfit, and pay your fair share of taxes. In 2009 (when I last checked) the local Catholic Church was taxed/assessed just $87 on a 11.72 acre property valued at $3.5 Million. The owner of record in 2009 was Bishop Thomas G. Wenski, Diocese of Orlando. My property tax in 2009 was $1,084 on a little two bedroom shack valued at $91K.

    Wenski was appointed Archbishop of Miami by Pope Benedict XVI on April 20, 2010, and is apparently a Tea Party conservative who rides a Harley.

    Archbishop Thomas Wenski: Tea Party conservative and church radical
    Miami New Times News, By Michael E. Miller Thursday, Nov 18 2010

    "Dressed all in black, the biker roars his 1,800-cc Harley-Davidson Street Glide to a halt on the gravely shoulder of Florida Avenue in Lakeland. Ray-Bans hide his eyes. With his spike-topped black helmet glinting in the South Florida sun, he more closely resembles a Prussian soldier than Easy Rider."

    Archbishop Wenski, are you really a church radical?

    No. His Holiness, Pope Francis, PP, is the church radical.

  4. There either is a God or there isn't. If there is a God, he, she or it either established an objective code of morality or he, she or it didn't. If there is no God, or if there is one, but he, she or it did not establish an objective code of morality, then all morality is subjective. You can believe your homosexuality is moral and acceptable, and I can believe the contrary. You can believe that stealing and murder is immoral, and I can believe the contrary. If, however, there is a God, and that God has established an objective code of morality that teaches homosexuality is wrong, something no person can say for sure one way or the other, then its morally wrong regardless of whether hypocritical members of the clergy violated the objective moral code God may have established. Attacking the messenger doesn't answer the ultimate question.

  5. It's almost as if The Bible was written by racist, sexist, homophobic, violent, sexually frustrated men, instead of a loving God. - Ricky Gervais.

  6. And let me add 9:51 that if you can't tell the difference between a murder where a person loses their life and a marriage where two people share love and happiness, praying for brains hasn't worked.

  7. The conventional wisdom was that liberalizing divorce laws would cause only the "bad" marriages to end in divorce, and that govt. programs enabling fathers to abandon their responsibilities to their children were not a problem because single-parent households were just as good as one's with two parents. In fact, one was labeled, fascist, misogynist, or racist if one spoke out against these social trends (e.g. Daniel P. Moynihan). A couple's divorce in Indiana, and a single-parent household in California has no direct affect on you or I, but yet it affects society in general as we have seen over and over again.

  8. I believe each person has a right to define their own happiness provided they are not causing harm to another.

    If you want to argue that divorce should be more difficult I suggest you build a time machine and go back to the 1940s. We've already had that battle and your side lost just like it's losing on gay marriage.

    You want to talk about the costs to society? What is the cost of your hate? How many teens have killed themselves over a world they felt unwelcome in?

    Sorry, but I have zero respect for the moral authority of such a flawed and ignorant ideology.

  9. How many teens die in Chicago, Newark, Oakland, Baltimore, Detroit, St. Louis, etc. etc. More than those who kill themselves due to some Clergyman's words. Yes, the libs won the culture wars, and you are reaping the whirlwind.

  10. @11:17

    You seem to have no idea how cause and effect works. Turns out equality for gays and lesbians doesn't solve all the other problems of the world.

    I never thought it would. But really there is no such thing as gay rights or women's rights. There is just human rights. Some of us understand what that means and some do not.

  11. re Anonymous 9.51@"Attacking the messenger doesn't answer the ultimate question".

    No attack, just defense of a minority population under attack by Archbishop Wenski on the unproved claim that same sex marriage renders the idea of all marriages meaningless. Heterosexual divorce does that quite nicely.

    BTW, I’m straight and have no problem supporting same sex marriage, which makes more sense than the Catholic marriage lifestyle in which I was raised but did not partake: Marry a young woman and produce children until her womb falls out. Not many married Catholic couples are producing 10 or 12 children anymore thanks to birth control, which is against Church teaching.

    Historically part of the hatred of same-sex or gay couples was based upon so-called deviant sexual practices such as fellatio and sodomy, and cunnilingus. "In 2003, the United States Supreme Court decided the case of Lawrence v. Texas, ruling, by a six-to-three margin, that
    anti-sodomy laws were unconstitutional." See Extreme Makeover, The story behind the story of Lawrence v. Texas, New Yorker Magazine, March 12, 2012.

    ""Sodomy" was, for centuries, a crime defined by its unspeakable nature. The eighteenth-century British legal commentator William Blackstone called it a crime "not fit to be named," which takes you only so far when it comes to drafting a ban."

    "Justice Antonin Scalia’s barnstorming dissent—joined by Justice Clarence Thomas and Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist—accused the majority of taking "sides in the culture war" and decrying the "end of all morals legislation"; Scalia warned ominously that the majority had opened the door to "judicial imposition of homosexual marriage.""

    "[T]he attempts of the Harris County district attorney, Chuck Rosenthal, to articulate a single rationale for the law became painful to watch. Called on by the Justices to explain why Texas could criminalize gay sex but allow same-sex adoptions, Rosenthal had no response. Called on to explain why Texas permitted nonprocreative heterosexual sex and adultery but barred gay sex, he could not answer. Again and again, he argued that the state could criminalize behavior simply because it was inherently immoral. With the exception of Justice Scalia—who described anal sex as "that conduct" in ways that would have been familiar to Sir William Blackstone—nobody on the Court was willing to support that position at argument."

    Today fellatio and sodomy, and cunnilingus, are part of mainstream heterosexual practice. Perhaps these sex acts were always popular, but not discussed openly. Sodomy among heterosexual couples has long been recognized as a type of birth control. Let’s face it, the world cannot sustain heterosexual couples producing 10-12 children. Don’t blame same sex couples for the Catholic Church’s unsustainable marriage doctrine.

    I believe Christ was a single man, who never married, who had no children, and who traveled with a group of 12 similarly situated men. I’m not saying Christ was gay, but he did not live the Catholic lifestyle preached by the Church today.

  12. I'm not sure how one can characterize sexual deviancy as a human right, but then again we live in a world sodomy is championed, and folks with xy chromosomes insist they are females.

  13. I can't think of anything more sexually deviant than what the Catholic Church has been covering up for decades if not millennia.

    Those who live in glass houses....

  14. Give it to them GW! These child rapists need to STFU!

  15. re Anonymous@11.49am

    The reason you are "not sure" about "sexual deviancy as a human right" is because you are an ideologue following a misinformed pied piper into the abyss. Fellatio, sodomy, and cunnilingus are normal and enjoyable activities between men and women, and same sex couples alike.

    Your claim that "sodomy is championed" is a silly talking point. You may want to read Freud, for example, to understand the normal id sexual nature of mankind. Religion is mankind’s creation, a super-ego "no" response to the id’s omnipresent "yes", by and through the ego mediator. This does not negate the idea of God, but gives back the power taken from God by moralists who want to play God, and wrongly run other people’s lives.

    Carl Jung reminds us, "True, the unconscious knows more than the conscious does; but it is a knowledge of a special sort, knowledge in eternity, usually without reference to the here and now, not couched in language of the intellect." Carl Jung, Memories, Dreams, Reflections, p. 311

    Sex is a powerful force, and historically used to control others in ways you may not have considered, such as mainstream corporate advertising. Sex sells everything from clothing to automobiles. As old taboos fall, sex and sexuality have less power over others, and result in more freedom.

    It is very difficult living in the South for anyone who’s life falls outside rigid norms constructed by those of the Antebellum mentality. It’s a mythical variation on religion where a constructed super-ego "no" responds to the id’s omnipresent "yes". The so-called culture wars are evidence that the American Civil War is still being fought, and was only nominally concluded in 1865.

  16. Well said WWJRD!

  17. Sorry WWJD, sodomy is not normal. Sodomy is unhygienic and consists of rubbing together two body parts that nature never meant to be rubbed together. That is why there is so much more STD and disease (hepatitis b; HIV) among individuals who engage in sodomy. That is science, that is fact, and no amount of sophistry about the antebellum sexual mores of the South will change that.

  18. @2:38

    I've been rubbing together with my husband for 15 years and we haven't given each other anything other than a really good time. Gay sex doesn't generate disease spontaneously.

    No doubt that's a difficult concept for people who believe in talking snakes and donkeys.

    The main way STDs spread is by heterosexual contact i.e. Catholic approved vagina to penis. #science

    By your logic, lesbians who have the lowest incidents of STD transmission, must be god's chosen people.

    Why don't you stop your absurd obsession with other people's sex lives and go feed the homeless like Jesus would? It's pretty f--king sad to pretend to be offended by something and then think about it all day long.

  19. I'm pretty sure 2:38 is no fan of Howard Stern.

  20. I'm pretty sure Howard Stern is no fan of 2:38.

  21. Dear Dr. Laura:

    Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the other specific laws and how to follow them:

    When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

    I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

    I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15:19- 24. The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

    Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

    I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

    A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

    Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

    Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?

    I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

    My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? - Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

    I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

    Your devoted fan,

  22. O Lord, please don't burn us,
    Don't grill us or toast your flock,
    Don't put us on a barbecue,
    Or simmer us in stock,
    Don't braise or bake or boil us,
    Or stir-fry us in a wok.
    Oh please don't lightly poach us,
    Or baste us with hot fat,
    Don't fricassee or roast us,
    Or boil us in a vat,
    And please don't stick thy servants, Lord,
    In a Rotissomat.

  23. re Anonymous@2.38

    I attended Catholic schools for 12 years, and recall a discussion of sodomy in the eleventh or twelfth grade, as part of a class taught by a priest. My Catholic high school was all male, so the discussions were generally wide open. The priest said any kind of sex with one’s wife was acceptable to the Church, including sodomy, so long as the sex act concluded in the wife’s vagina, thereby with a possibility of creating life. The priest’s description was more blunt, but I think you get the idea. The message was procreate, procreate, procreate.

    re Anonymous@2.38 "Sodomy is unhygienic and consists of rubbing together two body parts that nature never meant to be rubbed together."

    A person’s mouth has more bacteria than their anus.

    How do you know what body parts nature intended to rub together? Men and women, and same sex couple, kiss on the mouth, rubbing lips and sometimes tongues together, was that rubbing of bacteria-laden parts intended by nature? The human mouth is an instrument of speech, eating, kissing, and expressing emotion. Are you against kissing a person on their bacteria-laden mouth? While it may not appeal to everyone, when a woman offers a man her anus, that is a sign of trust and intimacy.

    You claim "there is so much more STD and disease (hepatitis b; HIV) among individuals who engage in sodomy. That is science," Okay, where is the proof, the statistics? Or is that a talking point from Rush or [fill in the blank, right wing talk show host]? People who play soccer get more injuries than people who play card games. There is a risk-reward in everything. But I can tell you, without question, that on a long enough time line, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.

    Someday the United States might legalize prostitution, like Canada and Europe. As Christ was dying on the cross, two women stayed by his side, his Mother Mary, and Mary Magdalene, who is portrayed as a prostitute in the Western church. Where were the men, his apostles? [in hiding] Where were the holy men of the time, like Archbishop Wenski?

  24. Lesbian sex is safe and so is docking. Jesus must be totally cool with docking if it's totally safe, right?

    And while I've never owned a Canadian I dated one. Great in bed but terrible drinking problem. I don't think he'd like being a slave though. Very dom.

  25. We're from the government... We're here to help.

  26. @9:17

    My odds of catching an std from my husband are approximately zero. For generations folks like you drove gay men into the alleyways for random sex acts because they were denied what I have today; an open, stable, loving relationship.

    Now comes a gem like you holding up the scars of the beatings that your primitive, frustrated, and hateful ideology have inflicted upon entire generations of men as if they are some inherent defect in the men themselves.

    Aren't you clever? On the one hand you would deny us the right to form permanent partnerships. On the other you hold up the effects of that denial as proof of our depravity.

    You offend me. You don't worship a loving god but rather a hateful demon, crafted in your own twisted image.

    I know what has people like you so frightened of people like me. All you have to sell is redemption for these thrummed up sins and we're not buying. The ruse is up. The emperor has no clothes and a laughably small dick.


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